When I began exposing Greek-Letter Organizations and Freemasonry 14 years ago, I learned a painful lesson. I learned that sinners were not the real problem. I learned that the church had been infiltrated by people in these groups. Yet, one thing I noticed was that Full Gospel/Charasmatic/Pentecostal type churches were basically immune to having public displays of their membership. This has all changed as well as my range of exposing evils. I have always been critical of some false teachings in the church, INCLUDING those I once held, practiced, and/or embraced. So when I speak on the Title of this post, I am not speaking in ignorance.
The purpose of this post is to expose a prevalent attitude, behavior, and arrogance that runs amuck in Pentecostal circle. I will then follow this blog up with the fathers of pentecostalism and its virulent offspring called Word Faith and Charasmatic.
These next posts are based on some E-mails I received. It was my proper and godly response to them, and the subsequent responses to mine that lead to this post. So, I will allow the Body of Christ to judge this.
These are the two e-mails I received. The Blog entries can no longer be found on the internet. My personal insertion were placed on June 2009. All other comments are original. WHEREVER YOU SEE, “Min. H”, is where I added some comments after the 2008 e-mail exchanges.
Min.H (8-18-2011)
Based on some responses I have read of late, I would like to let the readers know something else. I personally heard G. Craige at a church discussing this very subject prior to receiving these e-mails. He was so careful when discussing the Jakes situation in public not to mention his name. He kept going on and on about it. Then I, without G. Craige knowing, started to receive these “UNDERGROUND” e-mails. This was the main reason why I came out publicly, A YEAR AFTER originally receiving the e-mails for those who believe I just reacted with no thought or prayer on the matter.
Note: Pay Close attention on who the e-mails are from.
Robbielott and Yahluv are not a part of G. Craige’s buddies. I copied them on all of the e-mails for witnesses.
Lift those hands and say “Thank You Jesus”
Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:44 PM
From: G Lewis
To: Marlon Reid, aubreyshines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” <glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com>, Reggie Pitchford
Apostlerey’s Weblog
July 15, 2008
Is Bishop Jakes still GAY?
Filed under: religion — Tags: apostle, Apostle r e youngblood, apostle richard youngblood, apostle youngblood, bishop jakes, bishop t.d. jakes, gay, homosexuality, hype, jakes, t d jakes — apostlerey @ 5:46 pm
Expensive Tailored suits. People screaming, shouting and dancing. A great spoken word with amazingly clear pictures being painted. This looks like the move of God. It seems like we have built the tower whose top reached up into heaven. Certainly Christianity is at its greatest level since Jesus died for her. After all, Apostle Paul was a great preacher but Bishop Jakes and friends are even greater still. Conferences where people have spent mortgage payment in order to attend. Book sells. Cd’s…DVD’s and even clothing. It is a regular Walmart. Thousands of people in attendance and millions watching around the world. This is phenomenal! Does being phenomenal mean God is doing the work?
Bishop Jakes has done a wonderful job flying under the radar of concerning what he really represents but the time has come for the HYPE to be exposed and the truth to be told. There are many people who know the truth concerning this man and his ministry but are to afraid to speak because there is an automatic assumption that because something is popular, God is in it. Let me be very clear…Bishop Jakes is not who many believe him to be. All of the mighty speeches and mesmerizing phrases are not what they appear to be. Bishop Jakes and his kind are spoken of in The Word of God. Jude vs. 4 talks about men who crept in. The word crept is the past tense of the word “creep.” In other words, Bishop Jakes is a creep! I don’t mean it to be funny nor is it intended to be offensive but it is true! Let me explain……
I have known Bishop Jakes for quite some time. I met him before the world embraced him as the next Billy Graham or before he had made his many millions of dollars. I met him when he was Elder Thomas Jakes. At first, I was equally mesmerized by his ability to preach revelatory word that seems easy for him but difficult for others to see in the Word of God. He shared with me how he was an avid bible reader and told me the way he read was the reason he could see what others did not. He would share many things with me that seemed to be a help to my ministry. Eventually I became his Armour bearer. This allowed me to see ministry from a completely different angle. I saw back room deals that I never knew happened as well as back door deals that were a total shock. More on that later.
Bishop Jakes had started climbing the ladder in preaching circles around the tri-state area and seemed to just have doors open before him without much effort. He would tell me of stories of other preachers and their involvement in scandal after scandal always remarking that it was shameful and that he was supportive of the leaders who were under demonic attack. I would later find out that he was supportive because he was exactly what they were….HOMOSEXUAL!
I have had an amazing level of warfare because of the knowledge that I have concerning Bishop Jakes! I have sought Godly counsel from men whom I respect to only be told that it was my responsibility to cover him. I bought into it and did what I thought was right until month after month passed and then year after year and I would hear of young men that he was introducing to an Unholy lifestyle. I could only ask God to help me with what I should do about what I knew. After much travail in prayer and also after enduring an amazing onslaught from people who use to be my friends, I have come to one conclusion. First, I have asked God to forgive me for my silence. While Bishop Jakes was not successful in his attempt to have sex with me, he did everything he could to try to convince me. After seeing that I would not fall for his tactic, he said something to me that to this day still reverberates in my ear…”sometimes to much light hurts the eyes.” At first I had no idea what he meant. Then later understood that he was saying to me that he had revealed too much of himself to me. DUH!!! What an understatement from such an articulate man. This is where my personal warfare began. Questions began to surface in my head like…”what kind of sign was I giving off that made him think he could approach me?” Then the warfare took on a feeling that I felt a need to prove my manhood. I began to have sex with as many women as would allow me to satisfy my lust to prove my manhood. All the while protecting his”too much light.” The saddest part to this warfare is that because of the information that I had, Bishop was afraid that I would use it against him so he began to forecast me as a trouble maker and a liar. All of the mutual friend that we had received phone calls and were told not to invite me to speak at their events. Obviously because of his reputation, he was believed and I was not. He even sowed seed in my home between my wife and I by telling her that I was no longer welcomed to the church but that she could continue coming. That marriage eventually ended in divorce. It took me awhile to stop having dreams of going to his church and testifying! (smile) Give honor to God…..then nail him. I did not because even under that pressure, I feared God and didn’t want to hurt His People. I sought counsel and found that I was in a cesspool of homosexuality but all on the downlow. They were all married and appeared happy. Once I found out how bad the homosexuality was, I turned in my license and stop going to church. I cried out to God for help! I can feel the anointing right now!!!!!! One thing that I thank God for is that even when you are nobody to everybody, you are somebody to HIM! I thank God that not only did He hear my cry but sent deliverance to me. He healed me from bitterness. I had been contacted by many people who had questions about Bishop and I would not expose him to them because I didn’t want to hurt the church. I have been offered BET programming from other Pastors who wanted me to out him but I chose not to. Today, I feel Gods unction as I type because it is now time to expose what many have been following in error but more importantly, Bishop Jakes has become extremely bold with his lifestyle statements and it concerns me that many will blindly follow. I saw the photographs of His daughters wedding and saw him wearing an ear ring in his ear. Bishop knows the history of the ear ring as well as anyone. He has preached against it before. He knows its wrong. It is apparent that he did because the photos with the ear ring in are disappearing and photos that have been altered to remove the ear ring are now surfacing.
Bishop Jakes is not what many think him to be! None of his children, neither natural, spiritual or adopted have lives without extreme warfare. While I know we are not fighting against flesh and blood we are however fighting principalities. Ruling spirits that have power on earth. Bishop Jakes is a definite representation of a principality. The most unfortunate part to the story is that many know but won’t do anything about it. There are a growing group of men who will no longer be quiet about what the current religious leaders are allowing to creep into our ranks!
3 Comments »
1. Thank you for your bold commentary. My friend has been telling me this for years about TD and yes the earring was very telling. God bless you and keep you safe!!
Comment by Susan — August 5, 2008 @ 10:50 pm
2. Hi. I run http://www.pulpit-pimps.org. If you can give me some substantial information (not just your statement) about T. Dexter, I am more than willing to post an article on that which you have said. But as I said, it has to be substantial and iron clad.
If the man is indeed homosexual, then it should be shouted from the roof tops. The Bible tells us we are to flee immorality. That which you say T. Dexter is doing is clearly immoral and the sheep should be warned.
I have about three thousand hits a week. Putting it out there would definitely get the word out.
Melvin Jones
Comment by Melvin Jones — August 6, 2008 @ 8:36 pm
3. I am so sorry you have gone through all you have because of TD Jake’s ministry…..there will be more warfare to come….just expect that, because you ARE getting the word out….but….our Lord will calm you, just Him immediately, don’t suffer through, ASK RIGHT AWAY. This sort of demonic activity SHOULD BE told, there are many people “following blindly” to the evil spirit(s) that lead this man (and MANY others like him), you MUST warn them….it all has to be done in love, but you are so afraid of hurting the people, you are hurting them by not getting them away from this wolf in sheep’s clothing.
The ONE AND ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD, your Lord, is with you every step of the way…it appears to me He’s giving you different methods in order to expose this darkness.
God Bless you as you do this.
Comment by Sharon — August 15, 2008 @ 4:03 am
Min. H
I am glad people like melvin and myself are unwilling to take the bait. Why? Read the information from http://castthefirststone.wordpress.com/youngbloods-wicked-offenses/
I just wanted to take a minute to speak on how disappointed I am in the body of Christ. It never ceases to amaze me how other Christians are so quick to defame the character of other men and women of God. I am speaking about a Apostle Richard Youngblood and his claim against Bishop TD Jakes. I know Richard and I heard that he was going to vent his frustrations on Bishop Jakes and reference to Jakes lack of support during Richard’s brothers (Dwayne) molestation case. Richard mentioned that Jakes has known his family so long and that a man of his caliber could have easily spoken up in defense for Dwayne and maybe aided for his case. He wanted Bishop to know how it felt to be falsely accused of the same thing his brother was. We tried to talk him out of such a ludicrous idea but Richard was determined to get retribution for his family and the pain of such allegation has cause him. This is another case of the body of Christ not coming together but instead ripping each other apart for selfish game. I’m again disappointed in men of God putting themselves before God’s plan.”
Min. H
Now, I am not saying who is lying and who is telling the truth, which is why G. Craige and his cronies should not have taken this man at his word WITHOUT SEEMINGLY having all of the facts, and if they did have all of the facts, then why not present this to their inner circle.
When you read Apostle rey’s personal website, he sounds and acts just like T.D. Jakes and other prosperity pimps.
Part 2
Thursday, August 21, 2008 8:14
From: G Lewis
To: Marlon Reid, aubreyshines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” <glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com>, Reggie Pitchford
Apostlerey’s Weblog
August 15, 2008
Is Bishop Jakes still Gay? Pt II
Filed under: religion — apostlerey @ 1:57 pm
I have been warned not to speak against Bishop Jakes or something may happen to me. This threat was masked in a weak attempt to apply scripture out of context. It just further shows that there are none so blind as those who will not see. I have decided to do all in my power to expose this systematic attack on Black Men, their families, The Church and our community.
Bishop Jakes is now a member of The Higher Ground Always Abounding Assemblies which is headquartered in Columbus Ohio . The Chief Prelate is Bishop Sherman Watkins. If you google him, you can read his bio but will notice a gap of 18 years between the time he founded his local church and the time he started his organization. There is no mention of how he became a bishop. Why or how he started HGAAA. Bishop Watkins was a member of Greater Emmanuel Apostolic Assemblies of Churches and Ministries which was also headquartered in Columbus Ohio . The chief prelate was the late Quander L. Wilson. Bishop Wilson ordained both Bishop Watkins and Bishop Jakes. Bishop Jakes was made Bishop in 1987. Soon after his elevation to Bishop, he was contacted by Bishop Watkins who told him that he was starting his own organization and wanted him to come with him. To sweeten the deal, Bishop Watkins bought Bishop Jakes a pink Lincoln Continental. I’m not sure if it was a MaryKaye car or just pink for no reason. This began his relationship with Bishop Watkins. Bishop Watkins was a wealthy man compared to Bishop Jakes. He owned several houses one of which would be considered a mansion. I have visited that house and it is indeed a wonderful piece of property. Under the covering of Bishop Watkins, Bishop Jakes would become more brazen but wiser with his homosexual lifestyle. He would sit on a board of Bishops with men like Eric McDaniel who is also trapped by this homosexual spirit. These men would flourish under Bishop Watkins covering which soon became a cover up.
Bishop Watkins has been a long time friend and associate of my fathers since they were both in Greater Emmanuel together for many, many years. He knows that God is requiring holiness but he is looking the other way. I want to send a message to those who have sent vailed threats to me. Tell Eli (bishop watkins) that his sons Hophni and Phinehas are out of order. Tell him that a barren woman (black church) prayed not to be barren anymore and a son was birth. This sons name is Samuel. He has been asked for of God. In no way am I saying that I am Samuel by myself. I am saying that there is a cry that has gone out into the heavens and God is reviving the spirit of Samuel and He shall replace the blind leadership of Eli and God will remove Eli’s sons and their deeds from amongst HIS People.
To those who will read these blogs and you know by experience that what is contained therein is truth, I encourage you to ask God to prepare you for what is about to happen. This shaking will not end until HOLINESS is once again the message and the lifes blood of GODS CHURCH . Jesus said that He would build HIS church and it shall be so. To the young men who are being lead astray by these male Jezebels i say, you don’t have to fall for the trick of this demonic movement. It is a modern Sodom and Gomorrah .
I pray even now that those who read this may be pricked to their hearts and begin to ask God for the plain path that leads to life. We cannot continue following these men. They are not sent by God. Some of them won’t know who they are until a prophetic word is released and the true spirit within them is awakened. This is the prophetic word….
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
If there is not a cry for repentance, there will be a cry from exposure!!!
RE: Part 2
Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:35 PM
From: Andrea Williams
To: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, aubreyshines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” <glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com>, Reggie Pitchford
The trumpet has sound!!!!!!But sadly many will still follow.
Andrea
Min. H
Now I am not denying that Jakes has ties to the homosexual community and that fellowshipping with them is sinful, but I am dealing with what this man has accused Jakes of and how G. Craige and his cronies RECEIVED THIS ACCUSATION WITH NO OTHER WITNESSES.
RE: Part 2
Friday, August 22, 2008 6:34 AM
From: wendell mosley
To: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, aubreyshines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” <glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com>, Reggie Pitchford
G.
Can u explain this one for me? Whats going on?
Min. H
As you can see, someone or some individuals took these two blog entries and ran with it. Someone didn’t even know what was going on.
From: G Lewis
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:49 AM
To: wendell mosley, ii
Cc: Marlon Reid, aubreyshines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” <glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com>, Reggie Pitchford
Subject: Re: Part 2
I have been preaching this would happen for 15 years. And I have also been preaching that the majority of black folk in these guys churches will not care. And what next…….. Inclusion!
NOTE: THE FIRST FIVE RESPONSES ARE THE CONTINUATION OF THE E-MAIL EXCHANGES.
G. Craige, His Friends, and Pentecostalism Part 2
On Aug 22, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Hatchett Fred wrote:
1.This is your personal testimony. So I implore you brother, bring forth some evidence to prove this so, but maintain purity in how you obtain that evidence. You have evidently judged him privately, correct? If you do not provide evidence, then this is nothing more than gossip and idle chatter, which is what this has already become.
I Timothy 5:19
http://bible.cc/1_timothy/5-19.htm
Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
American King James Version
Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
American Standard Version
Against an elder receive not an accusation, except at the mouth of two or three witnesses.
Bible in Basic English
Do not take as true any statement made against one in authority, but only if two or three give witness to it.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Against a priest receive not an accusation, but under two or three witnesses.
Darby Bible Translation
Against an elder receive not an accusation unless where there are two or three witnesses.
English Revised Version
Against an elder receive not an accusation, except at the mouth of two or three witnesses.
Webster’s Bible Translation
Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
Weymouth New Testament
Never entertain an accusation against an Elder except on the evidence of two of three witnesses.
World English Bible
Don’t receive an accusation against an elder, except at the word of two or three witnesses.
Young’s Literal Translation
Against an elder an accusation receive not, except upon two or three witnesses.
Comment by Minister Fred Hatchett — August 22, 2008 @ 9:18 pm
Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,
John 12:32
Min. H
I commented on his blog, then e-mailed it to this group.
Re: Part 2
Friday, August 22, 2008 4:58 PM
From: G Lewis
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com”
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com. “R R”
Well we are not kids here and we know the bible! And seeing that this the 10th person that has confirmed this to me and maybe the 100th minister I know that has been directly affected by td jakes homosexuality, this is not gossip. Not to mention the countless efforts to yalj to jakes and confront him about this But I’m sure black folks are not gonna care. Jakes is their hero. So no need to worry, jakes will probably keep his folks. They ain’t trying to hear this about their celebrity bishop.
Sent from my iPhone
Min. H
Where are these Minister’s testimonies? Where are they G. Craige? You mean to tell me that only one came out with the dirt? Have you ever heard of a bull horn? You have a legal right to stand across the street from his church with your band of a 110 witnesses and tell people what’s up. But yet and still, WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE, IT’S HOT AIR. Not only that Mr. Lewis, I am not impressed that all these guys are ministers.
Re: Part 2
Friday, August 22, 2008 5:55 PM
From: G Lewis
To: “glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com”
Cc: Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com. “R R”
Maybe someone can help me with this but how do u get proof of faggotry? Do u fake like u wanna do it and then right at the drawers dropping part take a picture? Or do u sneak and hide a camera or recorder and convince the fag in question that u want to hear more about that time he came on to u so u can get it on tape?
Am I missing something here? Why do people always ask for proof of this? The proof is in the sermons he preaches. It’s in his own sons and church membership. It’s in his allegiances. And it’s in his mannerisms and ear piercings!! Wake up folks.
Sent from my iPhone
Min. H
Why ask for proof? Trust NO MAN….. Now allow me to say that some of your statistics in your presentations have NO substantiation. It’s all shock value.
Re: Part 2
Friday, August 22, 2008 6:36 PM
From: Tetaun Moffett
To: G Lewis
Cc: Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com. “R R”
Nasty! Very Nasty! This is one tree I would never eat of its fruit. Yuk! But seriously, proof, proof, its it not obvious? I mean, look at some of the content of his books, He-motions, GAY!, The lady her LOVER (gay) Her Lord; I mean, I just recently heard in He-motions and I quote: ” I first got in touch with my emotions when I laid my head on Noel Jones chest and heard his heart beat” I mean, if thats not GAY then what is! I’ve listen to countless interviews and listened how he avoid condemning homosexuality. How He(her) T.D. Jakes, twist scripture and use word play to illustrate ruth to naomi and johnathan to David as a type of ’same sexual’ relationships or boarder line lesbiansim. THATS NASTY! I mean, he’s link to a homosexual church movement http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/td-jakes-andrew-merritt-linked-to-gay-church-movement/ Come on… I’m having a gary coleman moment right now, “whatc you talking about willis”
But at the end of the day, how much proof is need! Are we still operating discerement any more, I mean, a man sashaying around, like a women, wearing earings, dripping around the pulpit defended the very same things God hates (SIN), be friending the world and its idealologies, avoiding to take firm stand against homosexuality…. Oh, he’s just bent over in the middle of the issue uh… Listen, with all due respect to everyones opinion and prospectives, nature can be a mirror for truth – if it look like a duck and quack like a duck then its a DUCK! This is ashame before God and if this continues get ready to do a spiritual body count for all the souls that have been lost, confused and decieved!
Min. H
As I stated before, I agree with what can be proven and is obvious for us all to see, but this is a RED HERRING. You are using Jakes’ other mess to justify disobeying I Timothy 5:19. I am not calling Youngblood a liar, but I do not know if he is tell the truth either. G. Craige, the church you went to on May 15, 2009, Mount Zion Christian Church, is the church I worshipped at and was a leader for 7-8 years. Now our Minister’s Test was 500 questions. There was a specific section on Ministerial Ethics. Words such as fraud, defraud, hearsay, embezzlement, etc. were ones we had to know the definition for, so I understand that one cannot go around flapping their mouth off without sufficient evidence. You want PROOF of the test, ask Pastor Donald Quincy Fozard, Sr.
Re: Part 2
Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:59 PM
From: G Lewis
To: Tetaun Moffett”
Cc: Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com. “R R”
My bad! This thread is not for everyone!!!!
Min. H
It’s for no one. You should have asked this man for proof of his accusations.
Re: Part 2
Saturday, August 23, 2008 2:44 PM
From: Timothy Meekins
To: G Lewis
Cc: Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com. “R R”
Well… Is it not obvious that His kind, ” Faggot Sissy Smith Jelly Back Attack Thomas Dexter Jakes”, only gives birth to this non discerning but supposed super spiritual mentality that says, (no matter how many times a man “in this case a Bishop” denies My Jesus and preaches self centered anti Biblical messages; a man that is always birthing weak men and women who $ees GREEN and waiting for their big break on TV; a man who’s description is as of Satan talked about in Ezekiel. 28) We need more evidence before we will attempt to believe you… Being a self centered Mega Cloning Smith Devil shouldn’t even be the concern! It is the MASS-DESTRUCTION to the Church and Her Credibility that this man has Done!
But oh yeah RIIIIIGHHT let me not forget that you can’t even see these spiritual matters if have come from the Vagina or Surrogate Mother of this man!
Min. H
Now who wants to listen to this foolishness. Sir, you are an Elder right. Tighten up on your foul mouth. And I can see very well sir. I went to your church website, and on the surface, I do not think your pastor would condone such language, but then again, a webpage is impersonal.
RE: Part 2
Saturday, August 23, 2008 3:04 PM
From: Andrea Williams
To: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com. “R R”
LOL……..Go Timothy!
Andrea
Min. H
Is it really funny for a mand of gawd to be talking like that?
Re: Part 2
Saturday, August 23, 2008 3:07 PM
From: G Lewis
To: Timothy Meekins
Cc: Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com. “R R”
Deeeeeeaaaaaaannnggggg Tim! Be nice. Haha
Min. H
Now hears G. Craige with the hoop and holler praise, but seriously G., why Am I STILL on your podcast?
Re: Part 2
Saturday, August 23, 2008 3:18 PM
From: William Ford III
To: G Lewis
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com. “R R”
Tim…you need a hug!
Re: Part 2
Saturday, August 23, 2008 3:24 PM
From: G Lewis
To: William Ford III
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com. “R R”
As long as u don’t get the hug from Jakes!!! Better yet, let him big u and feel u up and hide a camera. Then we will have evidence!!!! Haaha
Min. H
What’s really funny is that you sir, “Mr. cast out 43 demons, chillin’ with the Holy Spirit”, didn’t see this coming. LOL! How about bringing up charges against the man if the sex was not consensual?
Re: Part 2
Saturday, August 23, 2008 3:43 PM
From: Timothy Meekins
To: G Lewis
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com. “R R”
lol I’m ok it him and those that follow that need the hug…
Jakes is already hugging them, all the way down the road of destruction…
Timothy Meekins
Min. H
They don’t need a hug. They need some personal one-on-one evangelsim MINUS the nasty mouth and obvious anger. If they see the hostility, they may not listen. Truth can be given with conviction without all the EMOTIONS.
Re: Part 2
Saturday, August 23, 2008 3:56 PM
From: Timothy Meekins
To: G Lewis
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com. “R R”
LOL I’m sure that if there were cameras catching this BIG SISSY people would justify it…
I mean thats all that they have! He is their identity…
Min. H
You can justify ANYTHING, but facts are facts. IF THAT’S THE CASE, WHY BE ON SUCH A CRUSADE TO EXPOSE HIM. DO YOU SEE THE HYPOCRISY? Now the Holy Spirit is supposedly leading you right? So if He is, and you are sure that evidence wouldn’t help, then you are CLEARLY ADMITTING SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE EXISTS.
Re: Part 2
Saturday, August 23, 2008 4:06 PM
From: William Ford III
To: Timothy Meekins
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Like R Kelly.
Min. H
R. Kelly is not a professing Christian. Go and witness to him and hopefully he makes the most important confession of his life.
RE: Part 2
Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:04 PM
From: wendell mosley, ii
To: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams
Cc: yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Mr. Hatchett,
I appreciate and agree with your stance to examine this case as prescribed only by the BIBLE. However, this issue is much larger than someone accusing TD Jakes of sin / Homosexuality. The issue is whats the impact on the CHURCH! Therefore, perhaps you will be open to research and witness the matter closely for yourself.
The BIBLE says:
1 Corinthians 5:9-13 (The Message)
“I wrote you in my earlier letter that you shouldn’t make yourselves at home among the sexually promiscuous. I didn’t mean that you should have nothing at all to do with outsiders of that sort. Or with crooks, whether blue or white-collar. Or with spiritual phonies, for that matter. You’d have to leave the world entirely to do that! But I am saying that you shouldn’t act as if everything is just fine when a friend who claims to be a Christian is promiscuous or crooked, is flip with God or rude to friends, gets drunk or becomes greedy and predatory. You can’t just go along with this, treating it as acceptable behavior. I’m not responsible for what the outsiders do, but don’t we have some responsibility for those within our community of believers? God decides on the outsiders, but we need to decide when our brothers and sisters are out of line and, if necessary, clean house.”
Hence, to assist in your research effort going forward I would like to point you in the direction of an organization by the name of Soul Force. Soul Force is a gay rights activist group that has penetrated the CHURCH in America . The organizations purpose is as follows:
•“The purpose of Soul Force is freedom for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people from religious and political oppression through the practice of relentless nonviolent resistance.”
Soul Force quietly protests in Christian Churches across America . They want lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people to be accepted as is into the Church and they dare the Church of Jehova God to oppose them. The head of this organization Mel White (Homosexual)… he had an open friendship (love – hate style) with Jerry Falwell.
My brother be amongst the hundreds of thousands who bear witness to this movement within the American Church . For any church to be listed on the website that you are about to see is plain SIN! (http://www.soulforce.org/afo) Never the less, the (6) mega churches represented on Soul Forces website allow photos and other information to be proudly displayed… without interruption. But the minute an organization like EX-ministries speaks the truth against them they call the Lawyers out. God forbid!
Break these PUNKS!
The Puddin’:
http://www.soulforce.org/afo
http://www.soulforce.org/article/9
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week308/news.html
Audio Clip:
http://www.democracynow.org/2001/6/12/gay_rights_activist_mel_white_former#
Lets discuss this further, in the open where folk can hear and see…
Min. H
This is what I mean by a RED HERRING. I agree with the I Corinthians 5:9-13, but it has nothing to do with Apostle Rey’s blog and I Timothy 5:19
G. Craige and Friends React to my Assault on Pentecostalism
Re: More on gay jakes
Friday, August 29, 2008 6:20 PM
From: G Lewis
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com”
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
The media is controlled by Satan. Satan doesn’t divide his own kingdom. He has too many following jakes to wanna mess that up. He has all kinds of negroes following jakes homosexual hemotional movement. He doesn’t want that exposed. It’s working too good. FYI- the media has been alerted, yet they will not touch this guy because of his Masonic ties.
Sent from my iPhone
Min. H
Here we have again the total hypocrisy of Pentecostals to claim the possess the power of God through the Holy Spirit Baptism, yet PROFESS TO BE WEAKER THAN SATAN AND MAN.
Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,
John 12:32
MY PERSONAL INPUT- UH OH! I DONE DONE IT NOW…….
RE: More on gay jakes
Friday, August 29, 2008 6:26 PM
From: Paul Sherrill
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com, “‘Timothy Meekins, G Lewis
Cc: Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
I guess I’m sadly mistaken because the Holy Ghost is the same and this by no means is to argue over what God does… I have seen every kind of miracle in my ministry that is in the book of Acts. And I am a holy living, praying and hungry for God pastor that does not seek after a sign, but signs and wonders happen where ever I go.
Paul
Min. H
I suggest taking a look at healing and illness. Look at the statistics, types of illnesses, etc. God made the human body an amazing thing. Ever heard of a placebo effect Paul? Well it can occur with faith healing as well. You mention A.A. Allen as one of your mentors; how did he die?
Re: More on gay jakes
Friday, August 29, 2008 6:35 PM
From: Timothy Meekins
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Brother you’re words reflect those that the Lord spoke of when he said “Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof…”
You missed the whole point of brother Sherrill’s email because you are needing someone to jump on your Tithing bandwagon because you yourself are unsure.
You need to ask God for a true revelation of himself to you. God, every sense Adam, has used man to show himself strong in the earth. In these wicked days
there not many that would stand and be used of God, THUS the Church’s level of power has dropped as a whole. There should be miracles, signs and wonders as long as
there are men that are willing to be used of God and deny themselves. You Sound Like a Fundamentalist…
Timothy Meekins
Min. H
I responded to this a little later, but in short, this is where I decided to hittem’ with some RED HERRINGS of my own.
RE: More on gay jakes
Friday, August 29, 2008 8:45 PM
From: wendell mosley, ii
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com, “Timothy Meekins, G Lewis
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
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Fred,
Here’s the answer to your final question….
WE (The brothers included in this email string) not CNN, TBN, or FOX News are the INFORMATION PIPELINE to the Church!
Though it may be difficult to swallow, the information in these email strings is for the edification of the body of Christ. If you wrestle with the information that is presented then do some research to prove it otherwise and inform us. However, any Pastor that has his photo on the website of an openly Homosexual, non-changing, non-God fearing organization like Soul Force has to be in alignment with their movement in some way. Whether because of financial reasons, political, government, or other…. the point is that it violates instructions outlined in the word of God.
http://www.soulforce.org/article/1337
http://www.soulforce.org/article/1384
Here’s what the Bible says about who should inform the Church!
Ephesians 4:11-20 (King James Version)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying (to inform, improve, instruct, build-up, enlighten intellectually or spiritually, moral improvement and guidance) of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Wendell-
Min. H
I never disagreed with anything here, except who NOW informs the church. Due to their Pentecostal faith, they still believe there is a need for Apostles and Prophets, yet these are the very two offices that have run ruff shod through the very body they are supposed to be edifying and perfecting. What more about the future events do we need to know? Out of all the offices, why are Apostles and prophets just showing back up in the Protestant church?
Apologetics Press :: Scripturally Speaking Are There Modern-day Apostles?
by Dave Miller, Ph.D.
“The apostles of Jesus in the New Testament demonstrated their apostolic status without hesitation. Anyone today who claims to be an apostle should be willing to do the same. No such ability exists today.” http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2279
REFERENCES
Arndt, William and F.W. Gingrich (1957), A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press).
Bales, James (1957), The Kingdom: Prophesied and Established (Austin, TX: Firm Foundation).
Hayden, W.L. (1894), Church Polity (Kansas City, MO: Old Paths Book Club).
Miller, Dave (1996), Piloting the Strait (Pulaski, TN: Sain Publications).
Miller, Dave (2003), “Modern-day Miracles, Tongue-Speaking, and Holy Spirit Baptism: A Refutation—Extended Version,” [On-line], URL: http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2569.
Thayer, Joseph H. (1901), A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1977 reprint).
Re: More on gay jakes
Friday, August 29, 2008 9:34 PM
From: G Lewis
To: Timothy Meekins, apostle reyoungblood
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
The hand of God (fivefold ministry) is God’s judges for the church. He outlined that in Corinthians thru Paul who judged a situation concerning immorality. He stated that we judge those that are within. We are judging Jakes through information, divine revelation, and discernment. But if you do not embrace the fullness of God’s gifts in men, then you won’t understand it. Fundamentalists don’t accept the fullness of God’s gifts that work in modern day Apostles, Pastors, Prophets, Teachers, and Evangelists, therefore they cannot accept judgement being passed through a gift rather than just pure information or evidence. Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the EVIDENCE of things not seen, therefore, I don’t have to see TD get booty to know whether he is doing it or not. I can use the unseen EVIDENCE that is given to me by the Spirit of the Lord to know it. It’s the unction of the HOly Ghost where no man has to TEACH me (tell me, show me, or video tape a bootie encounter). That unction is the anointing of the Holy Ghost and it bears witness with truth in all things. I”m sorry if you don’t experience that, but I do. And I would not be here typing this from EX Ministries if it wasn’t so. The same unction that told me the Truth Behind Hip Hop is the same unction that told me that Jakes is a sodomite booty fag! (not in those words). God deals with the wayward men through his hand(fivefold ministry) and will continue to protect the body with those he has gifted to lead. Jakes is not one of those. He is a sodomite and has used his showmanship to deceive women and men. But his secret is finally coming out. I’ve been telling this for years and no one wants to hear it., his gay kingdom is coming down. His masonic ties and immoral allegiances are gonna be exposed this year. But the sad part is, that it’s already started and folks are trying to put the fires out because they don’t wanna get burned in his fires.
Min. H
Did this same unction tell you to use such language? If God didn’t give it to you that way, you shouldn’t use it in that way. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOUR UNCTIONS ARE WRONG? What? You think that just because you say it came from God that it did? If I am a fundamentalist, then I am one who does not fit your mold. I accept the fullness of God’s gifts for they are recorded in His Holy Word. I do not have to believe that functional gifts in history are occurring now for me to believe in them. Experiences do not determine the truth of scripture. I do not have to see a single miracle performed to believe that they WERE a reality. Wow! I just noticed that Apostle Youngblood was copied on this e-mail. So I guess G. Craige either knows him, or just wanted him to know what was up. I hope he does know about this.
Note: THE RESPONSES to, “TM”, COMING UP WITH , “Min. H”, were actual real-time responses to the e-mails
RE: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:15 AM
From: wendell mosley, ii
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com, Timothy Meekins, G Lewis
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Fred,
OH I get it! and I am very aware of your side of the argument. You want Empirical evidence on something that involves spiritual insight. I don’t need to see two men huggin’, kissin’, holding hands, or for that matter having sexual relations in order to discern the situation. Furthermore, what kind of real man would want to see such acts???
What I have done is try the spirits in this situation…
1 John 4:1
•Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Friend, there are only two kingdoms in the spiritual world that I know of, Gods Kingdom and the kingdom of darkness.
Soul Force represents the kingdom of darkness because they are Homosexuals, bisexuals, lesbians, gays, and trans-gender folk. Homosexuality refers to sexual behavior with or attraction to people of the same sex, or to a homosexual orientation.
Now you explain to me what involvement the Kingdom of God could possibly have with Soul Force?
So we can deduce that if The Potters House or any other house aligns itself with the kingdom of darkness it is in violation of scripture.
Now u explain to me what kind of the Pastor would allow his Church to be aligned with a kingdom of darkness type organization that primarily promotes Homosexuality. These homosexuals exemplify and embody ‘Affectation’ which is the act of taking on or displaying an attitude or mode of behavior not natural to oneself.
These jokers believe that homosexuality is a gift from God when the Bible says:
•For the wages of sin is death; but the GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 6:23).
Now that you know the TRUTH, take the TRUTH and inform the Church with it not the world!
CNN is not greater than the power of God that worketh in you!
I’m done with this one doc….
Wendell-
From: Hatchett Fred [mailto:glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:53 AM
To: Timothy Meekins
Cc: G Lewis; Tetaun Moffett; Marlon Reid; Aubrey Shines ; Will Ford; Paul Sherrill; Lonnie Brown; Wendell Mosley; Rod Williams; Bill Watson; Bishop Watson; Eric Walsh; Reggie Pitchford; Andrea Williams; yahluv7@yahoo.com; R R” robbielott15@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: More on gay jakes
TM (Timothy Meekins)
“Brother you’re words reflect those that the Lord spoke of when he said “Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof…”
You missed the whole point of brother Sherrill’s email because you are needing someone to jump on your Tithing bandwagon because you yourself are unsure.”
Min. H
Unsure of what sir? I need no one to jump on that bandwagon, the Bible is already clear. If you want to debate Gd’s power, tithing, tongues, etc. let’s do it biblically.
TM
“You need to ask God for a true revelation of himself to you.”
Min. H
His Word is His revelation, and it is to be used to judge anything self-acclaimed revelation. It’s called testing the spirits by the Spirit.
TM
“God, every sense Adam, has used man to show himself strong in the earth.”
Min. H
SPECIFIC MEN
TM
“In these wicked days there not many that would stand and be used of God, THUS the Church’s level of power has dropped as a whole. There should be miracles, signs and wonders as long as there are men that are willing to be used of God and deny themselves. You Sound Like a Fundamentalist…”
Min. H
The church’s level of influence has dropped. If you want to call it power, fine. The church has lost its influence/power because it has abandoned the FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES of CHRISTIANITY, like the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Oh ye! He gets the lip service during a sermon, but then comes all the emotion and whipping up the people into a frenzy.
Power is not one of those CORE principles. You can label me what you want, but I guarantee I will break any mold you cast me in.
You had a lot of NAMED believers in the New Testament who did not perform miracles. Do you mean to tell me that they lacked faith, that they were not willing to be used, etc. May I name a few; Apollos, Aquilla, Timothy, Titus, etc. Why did Paul not heal Trophimus or Timothy though he clearly demonstrated the gift of healing? To my knowledge, Silas nor Barnabas performed miracles either, yet they were Paul’s co-labourers. But the Bible says that “SPECIAL MIRACLES” were wrought by the hand of Paul- Acts 19:11.
As believers, we cannot go speculating on what may have happened. We have the Bible itself and a historical record (extra-biblical sources). It’s time to get back to the real Gospel of Salvation of the Soul. The preached Word saves, not miracles, signs, and wonders. If you ask me do I believe in miracles. I can open up my New Testament and unequivocally say, Yes I Do!!!!!!!! Here are plenty.
919/278-8911
Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,
John 12:32
RE: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:44 AM
From: Paul Sherrill
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com, Timothy Meekins
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
It’s seems like from Fred’s standpoint that it is wrong for a person who has been violated to step forward and reveal that they have been violated. I do not know what all this fuss is over? The man said he was violated by Jakes and to me his presentation does not have a malicious, vindictive tone and has every right to tell who he pleases if that happened to him. Since when does anyone who thinks they know the bible have the right to play a scathing dogmatic cop?
Also, the Holy Spirit, gives us the Gifts of the Spirit as HE will’s, not some diabolical debating argument about what someone believes about what times we are living in. The Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit… Apostolic times, Ha; God lives in eternity and is a supernatural God that goes beyond the laws of nature, time, doctrinal positions and dogmas. He’s God and does what He pleases as we yield to Him. All of this other stuff by taking the letter of the word to debate the sovereignty of God is absurd.
I know what I have experienced in the ministry that I have been in for over 21 years and have medically documented proof of God’s supernaturalism through my ministry as untold hundreds of thousands have witnessed all over this world while reaching over a million souls with the gospel. So, therefore God is God and man will be a liar (I know it is not the KJV diction, but you got my point). The point is, the Holy Ghost does what He wills… PERIOD! To debate this in the face of God’s intervention in cases all over this world is ludicrous.
And by the way, I do not seek a sign, I seek Him and He does what He wills.
Paul Sherrill
Min. H
Here’s where the hypocrisy of times comes apart. The apostolic times are supposedly still in existence, but what about the Law, snake-bitten Apostles suffering from no ill-effect of a snake bite, or drinking deadly things (they get their armor bearers to do that, LOL!). And may I say that sorcery, witchcraft (i.e. false miracles and false apostles), etc. were alive and well then too. So what many see as God’s intervention can just as easily be Satan’s intrusion.
From: Hatchett Fred glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com
To: Timothy Meekins, G Lewis; “wendell mosley, ii
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R” robbielott15@hotmail.com
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:45:12 AM
Subject: RE: More on gay jakes
There are pro-life atheists, if I put my picture on their website, DOES THAT MAKE ME AN ATHEIST? You can use all of the discernment you want, and call me an atheist, but what YOU CLAIM to say by the Spirit, and the actual reality may be two different things. If you are wrong, what then?
Would I put my picture on their website? No!
Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,
John 12:32
Min. H
Guilty and sinful by association, YES! Guilty of BEING AN ATHEIST, NO! This is my whole point. You cannot say that Jakes is a homosexual due to his associations. But if the Holy Spirit says to you that I am an atheist, and I am not; who are you hearing from?
Category: Pentecostal Fruit | One Comment
My Reposnse To G. Craige and His Friends #2
Saturday, June 13th, 2009 | Author: admin
Re: Part 2
Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:02 PM
From: G Lewis
To: wendell mosley, ii
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Jakes is all over that website!!!!! This is a shame before God. All those pentecostals in that church and they are allowing dialogue with gay couples? Wow.
Min. H
HERE YOU SEE THE ARROGANCE OF THE PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT. THEY BELIEVE THEY HAVE MORE OF GOD BECAUSE OF THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. WHAT THEY FAIL TO REALIZE IS THAT WHAT THEY CLAIM TO RECEIVE IS A FALSE MANIFESTATION OF ACTS 2:4. WATCH WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I CALL THEM OUT.
RE: Part 2
Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:09 PM
From: wendell mosley, ii
To: G Lewis
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com. “R R”
DO we all agree that this is open acceptance and inclusion???
Break these PUNKS!
On Aug 24, 2008, at 6:41 AM, Hatchett Fred wrote:
If this is all true, take this to CNN, FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. Stop punking and get to real exposing. If this man has been ruining families with this lifestyle then why will no one come forth to the public arena with this. It happens with the Catholic church, and look at the story of Ted Haggard. So you can name call all you want.
“It is the MASS-DESTRUCTION to the Church and Her Credibility that this man has Done! But oh yeah RIIIIIGHHT let me not forget that you can’t even see these spiritual matters if have come from the Vagina or Surrogate Mother of this man!” TIM MEEKINS
Sir, are you referring to me? If so, we can take this to the private arena- 919/278-8911 I am not saying that his doctrines don’t stink to high heaven, but that was NOT the subject at hand.
What about all of these Pastors who cry tithing from the rooftops, when it’s not even a New Testament commandment, doctrine, teaching (except for proof of the Levitical Priesthood being abolished), etc.? I wonder how many people have given there futures away for these financial charlatans.
Re: Part 2
Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:57 AM
From: Timothy Meekins
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Because my statement was made in public I will deal with it in public. Forgive me for my expression of frustration with the “get more evidence talk” along with all the rest of this situation in the Body of Christ… I in no way shape form or fashion was I pointing you as a person out. I am just so tired of this man and all the others that abuse the People of God and the Grace of God among other things… So, I again apologize for not exercising wisdom by sending a message with out reading and re-reading it to make sure that I didn’t inadvertently offend one.
As far as I’m concerned I am through with this tread….
In sincere transparency…
Timothy Meekins
Min. H
THEY CONSIDER THEIR PERSONAL CIRCLE OF FRIENDS AS PUBLIC.
RE: Part 2
Monday, August 25, 2008 8:52 AM
From: wendell mosley, ii
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com
Thanks for your comments Fred!
Bottom line is that this is all good! We are having the discussions that will drive change in the Church!…
Not many others are taking action on these issues.
The secular media is in alignment with the Homosexuality movement so they really could care less unless the law is broken in someway.
As far as I am concerned WE are the Media to the Church!
Wendell-
Min. H
Yes Wendell, but do not report what you CANNOT possibly know. The information from soulforce and gcmwatch is VERY SUFFICIENT to make a case that T.D. Jakes and others are foul.
Min. H
THEY JUST DON’T STOP- SIX DAYS LATER….. NOTICE THE CHANGE IN THE TITLE…… THE MAN WHO DID THE BLOG IS NOT JOKING, BUT THESE CATS THOUGHT IT WAS A JOKE UNTIL………. You’ll see!
More on gay jakes
Friday, August 29, 2008 4:54 PM
From: G Lewis
To: Timothy Meekins
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Date: August 29, 2008 4:04:58 PM CDT
Subject: What NOW???
Source: Apostlerey’s Weblog
Author: apostlerey
I have been silent for awhile as I have been praying for the timing of God to release the next thing that He wanted said throught this blog. First, to those of you who have accussed me of staying annonymous, please click the “about” tab to the right and read a part of my bio along with a picture.
[I also want to answer those who have felt as though this method is Ungodly because of potential issue it may cause innocent people. I also have heard from those who feel that I am in need of healing from this situation. I do appreciate your prayers for me however, I am not hurting nor am I bitter.] Let me see if I can explain to you all what I am. I am focused on a higher dimension of Christianity. I am looking at what I believe is the end times and I believe that The Church is not ready for what is about to be released. We have allowed satan to systematically infultrate the church through methods that are at best fleshly but at its worse the are deadly.
We must all agree that the church belongs to Jesus. We are all co-laboring with Christ to reconcile the world to Him. (II Cor.5:18,19) We must understand that in the last days, Gods spirit speaks “expressly.” The word expressly come from the greek word meaning “outspoken.” The Spirit of God is moving His Church into the last realm before rapture. This realm is the realm of HOLINESS! We have seen a decrease in The Power of God but an increase in the “Influence” of man. The clear Word of God is that we must decrease so that He can increase. (John 3:30) As a church, we have gotten so far away from the truth of what Jesus said concerning us. Jesus said that He would build His Church on a rock. A solid, tried foundation. He also said that the gates of Hell would not prevail against it. How do we see HIS CHURCH today? Is it God’s Will that we gather thousands of people together to only leave the event smarter than we were when we first arrived? Is it Gods Will that the sick, possessed and diseased are to come inside the church built on the rock and leave without knowing the ability of God to deliver them? Because we dont know the purpose of the church, we have allowed it to become far less than what it is intended.
This brings me to BIshop Jakes. Is God so bankrupt that He has to call the church together by using someone who walks in disagreement with The Word? Could it be that we as black folks are so happy to finally have a preacher that is accepted on a global level so therefore we care nothing about His soul? Many people who have responded to my blog have said that the church kills its wounded and that we shouldnt speak against leadership. Let me make a few things clear both biblically and spiritually. First, there is much scriptural evidence that we (the body of Christ) are already judges. Paul tells us this in I Cor 5:12,13 that we (the church) should judge those “within” and that God judges those without. John 7:4 say that we are to judge righteous judgement. This means that our jugdment should be based upon Holiness.
Lastly, atleast for now, we have a duty to the next generaation of believer to set the precedent that we will not allow the church to be hijacked by those who are not in it for the purpose of building The Kingdom of God. How many sons and daughter of the church have been lost to homosexuality? I am sure all of us know someone who has been affected, maybe its you. Don’t those souls deserve to be truly free from the bondage of sin? I believe they do. It would be wonderful if we could see outside of our religious preferences and see that we are being held accountable by God for what we do and what we allow. You may not be living in sin but if we allow it we are guilty and the blood is on our hands.
WAKE UP…..COFFEE IS BREWING!
Read more…
Min. H
After reading this, go back to the very first thing I quoted from cast the first stone, and read above what I put in the brackets.
If you go to this guy’s website, he is almost a carbon copy of T.D. Jakes. Read his blog at http://reyoungblood.org/blog/
Uh oh! I better copy and paste it just in case it disappears.
“Orchestrated Chaos!!!!
December 26th, 2008
This morning, God woke me up with a vision. In the Vision, I saw God moving things around. I saw Him taking pieces like puzzles and placing them in position to connect to each other. He then directed me to Genesis 1 where we see Him creating heaven and earth. Verse two (2) says that the earth was void and without form. I do not believe that it was created in that condition! In between verse one and two, there was an obvious situation that brought the creation into a chaotic condition. I won’t go into the details of that at this time but, the next thing that we read is that The Spirit of God started moving! The Hebrew Word used here is “ruach,” (ryoo’-akh) which means wind or breath. It is similar to what you and I do before we speak. In order to get our words out, we have to inhale. As the words come out of our mouth, we exhale until we need to inhale again. This move of God is important to understand. What is taking place in this particular text is what is called “The Law of First Mention.” The law of first mention states that however a particualr doctrine or event is interpreted the first time we see it in the bible, that is how it is interpreted throughout the entire bible. This particular law is that before there was a Word, The Spirit had to move. All throughout scripture we see this law. When JESUS read from the law in Luke 4:18 He read that the spirit of The Lord was upon Him because He had anointed Him to “PREACH.” The spirit first them the word. What God showed me was this. His Spirit is getting ready to move like you nor I have ever seen. He is going to make things in your life make sense! After He puts them in order by Him Spirit, there is going to be a release of His Word like we have never seen. In Luke 1:33-34, we read of the interaction between Mary and The Angel concerning the birth of Jesus. After alll of what the angel said to her, mary asks a question. How is this going to happen seeing I have known no man? In other words she is saying, I believe you are telling me the truth but from where I am in life, how can it come to pass!! I know that many of you who read this will say, “I have so many things that are not in place!” You are no different from Mary. The Word that came back to MAry was that The HOLY GHOST was going to come upon her. In other words, God is going to breath upon you Mary! I feel the anointing even NOW!! After he inhales, he is going to exhale and your purpose is going to exist and all will know it. I encourage you to prepare for your chaos to be orchestrated!! This is your time. Do not FEAR.
In His Grip!
Apostle Richard E. Youngblood”
RE: More on gay jakes
Friday, August 29, 2008 5:25 PM
From: Paul Sherrill
To: G Lewis’” , Timothy Meekins
Cc: Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
I will comment on this as I have been silent on the most recent blogs…
First, I would like to say that there has been a host of important factors brought out on the recent blogs concerning Jakes and his sodomite war machine. I have come to one conclusion concerning anyone that defends sin/homosexuality and that is that they do not know the Word of God and thereby does not know Jesus. Making a public confession alone by no means save you. If one does not deny themselves and take up his cross is not a follower of Jesus Christ. Even sinners know that if you do not deny yourself you are not a true disciple and you have no right to call yourself a Christian. There is nothing else to say… You practice homosexuality you go to hell. Being Carlton Pearson, Jakes or any other name brand means nothing to God and does not excuse you from the judgment to come if you are a fagg. People may build you up to make you think you are all that, but people can’t save you nor can people save you from hell if you live in sin or open sin!
Paul Sherrill
You can read Paul’s bio at the end of this whole paper. This is another RED HERRING. The issue at hand is taking this man’s testimony and running with it, not the fate of a practicing homosexual. It stopped being a joke when I politely chimed in, and like clockwork, the “Pentecostalitis” set in with arrogance, pride, REBUKE, etc.
On Aug 29, 2008, at 5:48 PM, Hatchett Fred wrote:
What do you mean the power of God has diminished? This is the very problem. Many preachers believe that miracles are in direct relationship with God’s presence and approval. Everyone’s looking for a sign and a wonder in the earth. Well that wonder is the salvation of a soul, not a healing. A WICKED AND PERVERSE generation seeketh after a sign. Is the church today that generation?
Don’t get me wrong, I believe God did and does still heal. But if anyone here thinks we are living in Apostolic Times, you’re sadly mistaken.
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We have these TITHE-MONGERING pastors ruining people’s financial lives, folks claiming to perform healings that last at most 1 week. Folks speaking in tongues with no interpretation, the whole tongues foolishness itself.
I will say this unequivocally until someone shows me different, but there are no more signs for the Second Coming before the Rapture. You think these times are bad; grab the book, “Thrones of Blood”.
My problem with this whole gay issue with T.D. Jakes is why will you not take this to FOX, NBC, CNN, or some reporter willing to do the investigation?
If you wish to explain this further, you can call me at 919/278-8911
Do you have other church leaders willing to take these charges to Jakes’ face?
G. Craige and Friends React to my Assault on Pentecostalism
Re: More on gay jakes
Friday, August 29, 2008 6:20 PM
From: G Lewis
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com”
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
The media is controlled by Satan. Satan doesn’t divide his own kingdom. He has too many following jakes to wanna mess that up. He has all kinds of negroes following jakes homosexual hemotional movement. He doesn’t want that exposed. It’s working too good. FYI- the media has been alerted, yet they will not touch this guy because of his Masonic ties.
Sent from my iPhone
Min. H
Here we have again the total hypocrisy of Pentecostals to claim the possess the power of God through the Holy Spirit Baptism, yet PROFESS TO BE WEAKER THAN SATAN AND MAN.
Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,
John 12:32
MY PERSONAL INPUT- UH OH! I DONE DONE IT NOW…….
RE: More on gay jakes
Friday, August 29, 2008 6:26 PM
From: Paul Sherrill
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com, “‘Timothy Meekins, G Lewis
Cc: Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
I guess I’m sadly mistaken because the Holy Ghost is the same and this by no means is to argue over what God does… I have seen every kind of miracle in my ministry that is in the book of Acts. And I am a holy living, praying and hungry for God pastor that does not seek after a sign, but signs and wonders happen where ever I go.
Paul
Min. H
I suggest taking a look at healing and illness. Look at the statistics, types of illnesses, etc. God made the human body an amazing thing. Ever heard of a placebo effect Paul? Well it can occur with faith healing as well. You mention A.A. Allen as one of your mentors; how did he die?
Re: More on gay jakes
Friday, August 29, 2008 6:35 PM
From: Timothy Meekins
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Brother you’re words reflect those that the Lord spoke of when he said “Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof…”
You missed the whole point of brother Sherrill’s email because you are needing someone to jump on your Tithing bandwagon because you yourself are unsure.
You need to ask God for a true revelation of himself to you. God, every sense Adam, has used man to show himself strong in the earth. In these wicked days
there not many that would stand and be used of God, THUS the Church’s level of power has dropped as a whole. There should be miracles, signs and wonders as long as
there are men that are willing to be used of God and deny themselves. You Sound Like a Fundamentalist…
Timothy Meekins
Min. H
I responded to this a little later, but in short, this is where I decided to hittem’ with some RED HERRINGS of my own.
RE: More on gay jakes
Friday, August 29, 2008 8:45 PM
From: wendell mosley, ii
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com, “Timothy Meekins, G Lewis
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
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Fred,
Here’s the answer to your final question….
WE (The brothers included in this email string) not CNN, TBN, or FOX News are the INFORMATION PIPELINE to the Church!
Though it may be difficult to swallow, the information in these email strings is for the edification of the body of Christ. If you wrestle with the information that is presented then do some research to prove it otherwise and inform us. However, any Pastor that has his photo on the website of an openly Homosexual, non-changing, non-God fearing organization like Soul Force has to be in alignment with their movement in some way. Whether because of financial reasons, political, government, or other…. the point is that it violates instructions outlined in the word of God.
http://www.soulforce.org/article/1337
http://www.soulforce.org/article/1384
Here’s what the Bible says about who should inform the Church!
Ephesians 4:11-20 (King James Version)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying (to inform, improve, instruct, build-up, enlighten intellectually or spiritually, moral improvement and guidance) of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Wendell-
Min. H
I never disagreed with anything here, except who NOW informs the church. Due to their Pentecostal faith, they still believe there is a need for Apostles and Prophets, yet these are the very two offices that have run ruff shod through the very body they are supposed to be edifying and perfecting. What more about the future events do we need to know? Out of all the offices, why are Apostles and prophets just showing back up in the Protestant church?
Apologetics Press :: Scripturally Speaking Are There Modern-day Apostles?
by Dave Miller, Ph.D.
“The apostles of Jesus in the New Testament demonstrated their apostolic status without hesitation. Anyone today who claims to be an apostle should be willing to do the same. No such ability exists today.” http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2279
REFERENCES
Arndt, William and F.W. Gingrich (1957), A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press).
Bales, James (1957), The Kingdom: Prophesied and Established (Austin, TX: Firm Foundation).
Hayden, W.L. (1894), Church Polity (Kansas City, MO: Old Paths Book Club).
Miller, Dave (1996), Piloting the Strait (Pulaski, TN: Sain Publications).
Miller, Dave (2003), “Modern-day Miracles, Tongue-Speaking, and Holy Spirit Baptism: A Refutation—Extended Version,” [On-line], URL: http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2569.
Thayer, Joseph H. (1901), A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1977 reprint).
Re: More on gay jakes
Friday, August 29, 2008 9:34 PM
From: G Lewis
To: Timothy Meekins, apostle reyoungblood
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
The hand of God (fivefold ministry) is God’s judges for the church. He outlined that in Corinthians thru Paul who judged a situation concerning immorality. He stated that we judge those that are within. We are judging Jakes through information, divine revelation, and discernment. But if you do not embrace the fullness of God’s gifts in men, then you won’t understand it. Fundamentalists don’t accept the fullness of God’s gifts that work in modern day Apostles, Pastors, Prophets, Teachers, and Evangelists, therefore they cannot accept judgement being passed through a gift rather than just pure information or evidence. Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the EVIDENCE of things not seen, therefore, I don’t have to see TD get booty to know whether he is doing it or not. I can use the unseen EVIDENCE that is given to me by the Spirit of the Lord to know it. It’s the unction of the HOly Ghost where no man has to TEACH me (tell me, show me, or video tape a bootie encounter). That unction is the anointing of the Holy Ghost and it bears witness with truth in all things. I”m sorry if you don’t experience that, but I do. And I would not be here typing this from EX Ministries if it wasn’t so. The same unction that told me the Truth Behind Hip Hop is the same unction that told me that Jakes is a sodomite booty fag! (not in those words). God deals with the wayward men through his hand(fivefold ministry) and will continue to protect the body with those he has gifted to lead. Jakes is not one of those. He is a sodomite and has used his showmanship to deceive women and men. But his secret is finally coming out. I’ve been telling this for years and no one wants to hear it., his gay kingdom is coming down. His masonic ties and immoral allegiances are gonna be exposed this year. But the sad part is, that it’s already started and folks are trying to put the fires out because they don’t wanna get burned in his fires.
Min. H
Did this same unction tell you to use such language? If God didn’t give it to you that way, you shouldn’t use it in that way. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOUR UNCTIONS ARE WRONG? What? You think that just because you say it came from God that it did? If I am a fundamentalist, then I am one who does not fit your mold. I accept the fullness of God’s gifts for they are recorded in His Holy Word. I do not have to believe that functional gifts in history are occurring now for me to believe in them. Experiences do not determine the truth of scripture. I do not have to see a single miracle performed to believe that they WERE a reality. Wow! I just noticed that Apostle Youngblood was copied on this e-mail. So I guess G. Craige either knows him, or just wanted him to know what was up. I hope he does know about this.
Note: THE RESPONSES to, “TM”, COMING UP WITH , “Min. H”, were actual real-time responses to the e-mails
RE: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:15 AM
From: wendell mosley, ii
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com, Timothy Meekins, G Lewis
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Fred,
OH I get it! and I am very aware of your side of the argument. You want Empirical evidence on something that involves spiritual insight. I don’t need to see two men huggin’, kissin’, holding hands, or for that matter having sexual relations in order to discern the situation. Furthermore, what kind of real man would want to see such acts???
What I have done is try the spirits in this situation…
1 John 4:1
•Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Friend, there are only two kingdoms in the spiritual world that I know of, Gods Kingdom and the kingdom of darkness.
Soul Force represents the kingdom of darkness because they are Homosexuals, bisexuals, lesbians, gays, and trans-gender folk. Homosexuality refers to sexual behavior with or attraction to people of the same sex, or to a homosexual orientation.
Now you explain to me what involvement the Kingdom of God could possibly have with Soul Force?
So we can deduce that if The Potters House or any other house aligns itself with the kingdom of darkness it is in violation of scripture.
Now u explain to me what kind of the Pastor would allow his Church to be aligned with a kingdom of darkness type organization that primarily promotes Homosexuality. These homosexuals exemplify and embody ‘Affectation’ which is the act of taking on or displaying an attitude or mode of behavior not natural to oneself.
These jokers believe that homosexuality is a gift from God when the Bible says:
•For the wages of sin is death; but the GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 6:23).
Now that you know the TRUTH, take the TRUTH and inform the Church with it not the world!
CNN is not greater than the power of God that worketh in you!
I’m done with this one doc….
Wendell-
From: Hatchett Fred [mailto:glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:53 AM
To: Timothy Meekins
Cc: G Lewis; Tetaun Moffett; Marlon Reid; Aubrey Shines ; Will Ford; Paul Sherrill; Lonnie Brown; Wendell Mosley; Rod Williams; Bill Watson; Bishop Watson; Eric Walsh; Reggie Pitchford; Andrea Williams; yahluv7@yahoo.com; R R” robbielott15@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: More on gay jakes
TM (Timothy Meekins)
“Brother you’re words reflect those that the Lord spoke of when he said “Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof…”
You missed the whole point of brother Sherrill’s email because you are needing someone to jump on your Tithing bandwagon because you yourself are unsure.”
Min. H
Unsure of what sir? I need no one to jump on that bandwagon, the Bible is already clear. If you want to debate Gd’s power, tithing, tongues, etc. let’s do it biblically.
TM
“You need to ask God for a true revelation of himself to you.”
Min. H
His Word is His revelation, and it is to be used to judge anything self-acclaimed revelation. It’s called testing the spirits by the Spirit.
TM
“God, every sense Adam, has used man to show himself strong in the earth.”
Min. H
SPECIFIC MEN
TM
“In these wicked days there not many that would stand and be used of God, THUS the Church’s level of power has dropped as a whole. There should be miracles, signs and wonders as long as there are men that are willing to be used of God and deny themselves. You Sound Like a Fundamentalist…”
Min. H
The church’s level of influence has dropped. If you want to call it power, fine. The church has lost its influence/power because it has abandoned the FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES of CHRISTIANITY, like the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Oh ye! He gets the lip service during a sermon, but then comes all the emotion and whipping up the people into a frenzy.
Power is not one of those CORE principles. You can label me what you want, but I guarantee I will break any mold you cast me in.
You had a lot of NAMED believers in the New Testament who did not perform miracles. Do you mean to tell me that they lacked faith, that they were not willing to be used, etc. May I name a few; Apollos, Aquilla, Timothy, Titus, etc. Why did Paul not heal Trophimus or Timothy though he clearly demonstrated the gift of healing? To my knowledge, Silas nor Barnabas performed miracles either, yet they were Paul’s co-labourers. But the Bible says that “SPECIAL MIRACLES” were wrought by the hand of Paul- Acts 19:11.
As believers, we cannot go speculating on what may have happened. We have the Bible itself and a historical record (extra-biblical sources). It’s time to get back to the real Gospel of Salvation of the Soul. The preached Word saves, not miracles, signs, and wonders. If you ask me do I believe in miracles. I can open up my New Testament and unequivocally say, Yes I Do!!!!!!!! Here are plenty.
919/278-8911
Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,
John 12:32
RE: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:44 AM
From: Paul Sherrill
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com, Timothy Meekins
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
It’s seems like from Fred’s standpoint that it is wrong for a person who has been violated to step forward and reveal that they have been violated. I do not know what all this fuss is over? The man said he was violated by Jakes and to me his presentation does not have a malicious, vindictive tone and has every right to tell who he pleases if that happened to him. Since when does anyone who thinks they know the bible have the right to play a scathing dogmatic cop?
Also, the Holy Spirit, gives us the Gifts of the Spirit as HE will’s, not some diabolical debating argument about what someone believes about what times we are living in. The Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit… Apostolic times, Ha; God lives in eternity and is a supernatural God that goes beyond the laws of nature, time, doctrinal positions and dogmas. He’s God and does what He pleases as we yield to Him. All of this other stuff by taking the letter of the word to debate the sovereignty of God is absurd.
I know what I have experienced in the ministry that I have been in for over 21 years and have medically documented proof of God’s supernaturalism through my ministry as untold hundreds of thousands have witnessed all over this world while reaching over a million souls with the gospel. So, therefore God is God and man will be a liar (I know it is not the KJV diction, but you got my point). The point is, the Holy Ghost does what He wills… PERIOD! To debate this in the face of God’s intervention in cases all over this world is ludicrous.
And by the way, I do not seek a sign, I seek Him and He does what He wills.
Paul Sherrill
Min. H
Here’s where the hypocrisy of times comes apart. The apostolic times are supposedly still in existence, but what about the Law, snake-bitten Apostles suffering from no ill-effect of a snake bite, or drinking deadly things (they get their armor bearers to do that, LOL!). And may I say that sorcery, witchcraft (i.e. false miracles and false apostles), etc. were alive and well then too. So what many see as God’s intervention can just as easily be Satan’s intrusion.
From: Hatchett Fred glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com
To: Timothy Meekins, G Lewis; “wendell mosley, ii
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R” robbielott15@hotmail.com
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:45:12 AM
Subject: RE: More on gay jakes
There are pro-life atheists, if I put my picture on their website, DOES THAT MAKE ME AN ATHEIST? You can use all of the discernment you want, and call me an atheist, but what YOU CLAIM to say by the Spirit, and the actual reality may be two different things. If you are wrong, what then?
Would I put my picture on their website? No!
Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,
John 12:32
Min. H
Guilty and sinful by association, YES! Guilty of BEING AN ATHEIST, NO! This is my whole point. You cannot say that Jakes is a homosexual due to his associations. But if the Holy Spirit says to you that I am an atheist, and I am not; who are you hearing from?
G. Craige Lewis and His Friends Still Reacting
Re: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:02 AM
From: Bill Watson
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com, Timothy Meekins, G Lewis, wendell mosley, ii
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Hey! Why don’t you kiss and make up….Oh Wait…That would be fagotry and someone might record it and send it to CNN. HA HA HA
Do I just sign or do you want a picture.
Watson
Commit your work to the LORD, and your plans will be established. Proverbs 16:3
Min. H
Hey Bill? Are we supposed to convict criminals without sufficient evidence? Aren’t we supposed to be better judges than the world?
Re: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:02 AM
From: G Lewis
To: Paul Sherrill
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Bottom line? Jakes is a fag. Fred shouldn’t be in on this.
Sent from my iPhone
Min. H
Oh but I was. G. Craige? Where was the Holy Spirit among you and your friends? Did He not tell you there was opposition to YOUR camp? G. Craige has no problem calling Jakes a fag in his little private circle of friends (His frat/sorority), but publicly…….. Why not?
From: Hatchett Fred [mailto:glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:11 AM
To: ‘Timothy Meekins’; Paul Sherrill
Cc: ‘G Lewis’; ‘Tetaun Moffett’; ‘Marlon Reid’; aubreyshines@gmail.com; ‘Will Ford’; ‘Lonnie Brown’; ‘Wendell Mosley’; ‘Rod Williams’; ‘Bill Watson’; ‘Bishop Watson’; ‘Eric Walsh’; drecamp@aol.com; lucyguitar@yahoo.com; ‘Joshua Obeng’; ‘Reggie Pitchford’; ‘Andrea Williams’; yahluv7@yahoo.com; ‘R R’ robbielott15@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: More on gay jakes
“Your experience does not validate Scripture as true, Scripture validates whether your experience is true”, “If you don’t really study Scripture, and just rely on surface reading, or what you’ve heard from people or listened on your favorite gospel CD, then you ARE using your experience to validate Scripture” Living Sacrifice- http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2210119539&topic=4190&start=30&hash=4d442cb96b65050f5f3858c5aaf94eb4
Apostlerey did what he did, and he could face legal troubles for it. I am so glad I got away from the Word Faith, Charasmaniac movement without having to deny a belief that God works miracles.
Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,
John 12:32
RE: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:13 AM
From: Paul Sherrill
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com, Timothy Meekins
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Fred…
You have to be warped in your mind to come back with that lame statement. If I don’t really study Scripture? Please, I will not even respond to that.
God is God all by Himself.
Min. H
But who are you? Are you praying for me? What’s your prayer for me, for your friends, for T.D. Jakes, Apostle Youngblood, etc.? You, I believe being the oldest and most seasoned in ministry, should have been the FIRST to REBUKE your friends for partaking in such tomfoolery. I would have hated to see how foul this whole thing could have gotten. But something that let’s me know from these exchanges that you are complicit is that you never once rebuked anyone for their foul mouths and insults. To those who did not respond, good for you.
All of my responses were carefully planned out, and I obtained some desirable and undesirable results.
Re: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:14 AM
From: G Lewis
To: Bill Watson
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
That was funny!!!
Sent from my iPhone
Min. H
This is G. Craige’s response to Bill Watson’s comment @ 1002, August 30, 2008. You want to be my brother in the Lord is one thing, but you made it plain that we have no bond in the spirit or friendship by your response.
RE: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:16 AM
From: Paul Sherrill
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com, Timothy Meekins
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Fred…
Also, I am not Word of Faith nor am I Charismatic; I am Pentecostal
Min. H
LOL! What’s the difference? You will find much greater similarities than differences. From talking to you guys here, I see no differences. ALL of you ALL believe in the gifts, the five-fold, the expressions like, “God is God all by Himself, etc.
From: Hatchett Fred [mailto:glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:24 AM
To: Paul Sherrill
Subject: RE: More on gay jakes
Wrong sir! Who is your mentor?
Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,
John 12:32
Min. H
I should have asked him who his mentors (plural) were?
RE: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:29 AM
From: Paul Sherrill
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com
My mentors, Arturo Skinner, Dave Roberson, Clinton & Sarah Utterbach and Morris Cerullo… Proven men and woman of God!
Min. H
HE FAILED TO MENTION A.A. ALLEN, where it all started.
“It all began in 1970 when Paul gave his life to Christ through the influence of the ministry of A.A. Allen.” http://www.christrevealed.org/about/biography/
Now why did he not mention A.A. Allen here, but does on his website? Maybe he forgot, or is it the unfortunate, controversial circumstances of A.A.’s death? Only he can answer that and maybe he will when he gets it.
Re: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:17 AM
From: G Lewis
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com”
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
I don’t think anyone here is word of faith or charamaniac (charasmaniac)??? This list is full of belivers in Jesus. His written logos and his divine revelation through relationship. But we call a fag a fag!!!
Sent from my iPhone
Min. H
I do not understand this man’s fixation on the word “fag”. I wonder if he would witness Christ one-on-one with a homosexual and continually use that word. If so, how foolish and if not, what a hypocrite to call them out in your circle of friends and publicly would be no different. I implore you and your friends to stop using the word in a derogatory manner for the sake of those you are trying to win to Christ.
From: Hatchett Fred
To: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:15:01 AM
Subject: Re: More on gay jakes
Hey Bill! 919/278-8911
I guess you would call the freinds of Paul kissing his neck faggotry to. I mean the neck is a sensitive area and all. LOL!
Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,
John 12:32
Re: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:19 AM
From: Bill Watson
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com, Timothy Meekins , G Lewis, wendell mosley, ii
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Fred
Maybe you kiss men. HA HA HA. But, This is a new day!!! YOU WILL NOT CATCH ME KISSING NO BIG NASTY MAN….. EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Min.H
Here’s the hypocrisy I am talking about. God is God, miracles is in the Word, God doesn’t change, etc. but the Bible has men kissing other men as a sign of greeting or in a compassionate good-bye without a single reference to homosexual behavior.
If someone put it in their blog that I kissed them, I guess I would be treated no differently than Jakes. Maybe you and your circle of big nasty men kiss each other…. NOTICE WHAT YOU SAID BILL, “YOU WILL NOT CATCH ME”…….. WHOA! I COULD TAKE THAT AND RUN WITH IT…….
RE: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:16 AM
From: Paul Sherrill
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com, Timothy Meekins
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Fred…
Also, I am not Word of Faith nor am I Charismatic; I am Pentecostal
On Aug 30, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Hatchett Fred wrote:
So you participate in the ecstatic gibberish of Pentecostalism today?
Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,
John 12:32
Re: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:29 AM
From: Timothy Meekins
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com
I rebuke you and your words! I can’t just let you mock God and His Gifts and POWER! Satan get the hence!
Timothy Meekins
Min. H
You are not Jesus, and I am not Peter. Can you please give the context of that scripture, and then tell me how it applies to what I just said about MODERN DAY PENTECOSTALISM? Please see http://pub6.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=460887521&frmid=66&msgid=920326&cmd=show
Furthermore, why rebuke me? You are not my Elder, Pastor, Bishop, etc. I mock none of those things.
From: Hatchett Fred
To: Timothy Meekins, G Lewis; wendell mosley, ii; Bill Watson
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:23:35 AM
Subject: Re: More on gay jakes
It’s a new day when it comes to Paul being kissed on the neck by his friends, but in another breath you will quote Hebrews 13:8.
Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,
John 12:32
Re: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:31 AM
From: Bill Watson
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com, Timothy Meekins, G Lewis, wendell mosley, ii
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Fred,
If you don’t understand the difference, then someone other than me will have to explain to you.
I’ve learned that sometimes closed-minded ignorance does not deserve an answer because all they will do is warp what you say and even warp scripture as you have done in many of your statements to make it mean what you want.
Commit your work to the LORD, and your plans will be established. Proverbs 16:3
Min. H
True Bill! I clearly understand the difference, but I do think that you believe kissing among the same sexes is gay no matter what. If this is not the case, you left no reason for anyone to think so.
RE: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:32 AM
From: Paul Sherrill
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com
Fred,
I discern you are bitter and like to argue… Therefore, with your spirit I desist from responding to you because you have a bone to pick and I will not waste anymore of my brain energy entertaining another word you speak. This is beneath me.
Min. H
Then you are not prepared to deal with anyone willing to question you as an “Apostle” or Pastor. You are not going to be prepared when you lay hands on someone who is well informed about the gifts, and they do not get healed, and they question you about it. I have seen the lame pimpology that Pentecostals/Charasmatics/Word of Faithers use as excuses to why their claim of possessing the gifts did not work.
Note: IT’S ABOUT TO GET REAL!!!!!!!!! All of my responses are June 2009
On Aug 30, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Hatchett Fred wrote:
So you participate in the ecstatic gibberish of Pentecostalism today?
Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,
John 12:32
Re: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:37 AM
From: G Lewis
To: glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com”
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Wow fred. That was uncalled for. U have now disrespected every pastor and minister on this thread with your unbelief. I’m offended deeply by that.
Min. H
I TOLD YOU….. I knew a reaction was coming. Unbelief based on what, G. Craige? What makes you right and me wrong? Why are Pentecostals are so caught up in their superiority of having the Holy Spirit, they believe study is not as important. They believe that a direct line to the Holy Spirit based on the evidence of speaking in tongues, trumps studying.
Example: “Prince of the power of the air”, SHOULD BE, airwaves. Come on, did the Holy Spirit tell you that? I have reason to not believe it. WHY? There is plenty that comes over the airwaves that is holy, pure, etc. So if Satan is the prince, God must be the jester according to your Holy Ghost revelation.
RE: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:51 AM
From: Andrea Williams
To: Paul Sherrill, glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com, Timothy Meekins
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
Fred,
As the only women on this blog your comments are no longer needed……..you are the weakest link!! bye bye!
Andrea
Min. H
Thank-You for the comical relief, but I consider myself to be the missing link between you all and the outside world.
Re: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:22 AM
From: G Lewis
To: Andrea Williams
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
I must apologize for Fred. I have had conversation with this guy and even did an excast with him on his deliverance from Freemasonry. I had no idea he felt this way about pentecostalism. He has been in agreement with EX Ministries and all my videos (which are pentecostal), so I had no reason to believe that he felt this way at all. My bad folks. This won’t happen again.
Min. H
Whoa! Since when are your videos Pentecostal? My bad! I thought they were supposed to be the truth about Hip-Hop. This is what happens when you inject your denomination into your presentation.
GC says later on in this post:
Fred, since you publicly denounced pentecostalism, I must publicly rebuke you and your stance. You are in for a lot of trouble on this path. You are trying to fight the biggest devil in America (freemasonry) armed with knowledge and no power. I have seen brothers fall left and right trying to do the same because without the dunamis power of God, and the gifts of the Spirit of God, you will not be successful in your efforts. It’s only been by the dunamis power of God to battle in the spirit realm that EX Ministries has been successful in fighting.
Min. H
G. Craige- I gave up the “Pentecostal way” over 5 years ago, and thanks be to God, I am still here. Now you really opened yourself up when you brought dunamis into it. Do you realize what the POWER (DUNAMIS) of salvation is? If you and your boys and girl had done any studying, you would realize that the power of God unto SALVATION is THE GOSPEL. That’s DUNAMIS power G. Craige. A person that you know WAS doing the same ministry I AM doing now also claimed that I would not succeed without the dunamis power. She has taken her website down and fallen by the wayside publicly, concerning the ministry about Greek Organizations.
GC
But people I know that have tried to stand against Hip Hop or any other satanic warfare without the dunamis power of the Holy Ghost, have fallen. This power is needed for certain devils and Freemasonry is one. You should repent.
Min. H
I learned this other gospel before; that if you don’t have this DUNAMIS power, you will fall. I am sure you have read the scripture about another gospel. So GC, I am one of those who is still here. I guess I will have to fall to make you right…
GC
And never lump all pentecostals in the same pile. there are many that are deceivers and emotional exploiters.
Min. H
And you are not?
GC
Jakes, the one you have defended all this time, is the worst of them all. He is nothing but emotional and preys on the emotional excitement of the people that listen and follow him. But there are those that speak in tongues, cast out devils and heal the sick (all of which I do and the rest on this thread do as well) to the Glory and Honor of God. Building his Kingdom on earth requires his power. Not just knowledge of him.
Min. H
I have not defended him. Where’s Kevin Thornton’s testimony of his 43 demon deliverance? NAME 5 Hip-Hop artists that have accepted Christ as a result of your ministry and where can I find there testimonies? I will tell you what “your” dunamis power failed to do. All 11 of those that apparently denounced their Greek Organization at Bowling Green, 8 are still Greek. Now listen to your DVD as to how many people came to the altar.
GC
You may have been hurt by someone or something. Pledging in those organizations shows that you had self esteem problems and probably did some things with those men of those organizations that you are ashamed of. But the devils from those rituals you performed must be cast out.
Min. H
You are mimicking the same exact lingo that people in these organizations are using. I was done with Omega in April 1995. If you believe they need to be cast out, I am here. The only thing that I did that I was ashamed of was hazing. If you are trying to imply that something GAY went on, keep that ad hominem discernment to yourself.
GC
Some residue of those oaths and things you participated may still be there. You must go through deliverance and have all those things cast out by the dunamis power of the Holy Ghost. It’s in your writing Fred. And you have to believe in the pentecostal power of God and that God still moves upon men just like he did the apostles of Jesus. Without this, you will face a person that will have demons from their days of freemasonry, and you will be challenged in a manner that you are not prepared to deal with. Trust me Fred. Give time to fasting and prayer and learn of him. Not just reading, but seek his face. He will show you what’s still in you that must come out.
Min. H
I MUST, I HAVE TO…… Conversing with demons?????? Where did that doctrine come from? Really G. Craige, you need to check your DVD’s again and see how Satan punked you. You mean to tell me that the Holy Spirit had to have demons come out by playing music? Way to limit Him………. You said that the Holy Spirit told you that demons that are played in have to be played out. Jesus, nor any Apostles needed any “TRICKERATION” to cast a demon out. But I know someone who wanted that power for the wrong reasons, Simon…..
G. Craige- The moment I denounced Omega and had that one dream a week later, I was FULLY DELIVERED. Never once did Omega’s call to me attract me. Omega and Freemasonry were and are dead to me.
IN JESUS NAME
G. Craige Lewis
G. Craige, His Friends, and the Fruit of Pentecostalism
RE: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:13 PM
From: Paul Sherrill
To: G Lewis, Andrea Williams
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
G. Craige and all who care to listen, one current refined and subtle manifestation of Baal-worship, is the cult of self-love. Through a clever manipulation of Scripture, the love of self has been transformed into a virtue. In recent years it has been strenuously taught as a supposed Christian duty. The divine command to love our neighbor as we love ourselves is twisted into a command to love self, when in fact the Lord taught that our natural-born sinful love of self is redirected through genuine faith to a Christ-like love of our neighbor.
Genuine self-respect is another matter. It becomes authentic only through an appreciation of God’s self-emptying love revealed at the cross. True self esteem is therefore rooted in Christ’s atonement. But the love of self is antithetical to devotion to Christ and His work. It is understandable that an enemy would promote the cult of selfism (as does Jakes and his clan) as though it were Christ’s teaching. This is foreign to the early church and the saints of old even in America .
No matter how much we may profess to serve Christ, no matter what our position may be in the church, wherever self becomes the object of devotion, there we have Baal-worship. The myriad forms that this takes are frightening. In a certain sense the ministry is in greater peril than any other segment of the church. It is among the ministry that a kind of ladder-climbing fraternity has been established— as if an office could enhance character. Where we have a coveting of promotion, office seeking, with prestige and power as the motivations of ministry, there we have the prophets of Baal.
This denial of the true Christ and glorification of self is to be found in many of our now-standard practices. Why does the Remnant Church need plaques, trophies, certificates, and all the other trappings the world uses and loves? Where the true message of righteousness by faith is understood and believed. Baal-worship is the fruit of a species of corrupted teachings that encourage a profession of faith in Christ while self refuses to be crucified with Him. This is my sentiments as my heart breaks when I see so many untaught saints following after Jakes and his cronies.
Now if this offends anyone then I am not apologizing and you need to be offended. I am not going to apologize for confronting the devil and his cohorts that are guilty of what I just said.
Paul Sherrill
Min. H
Well Paul, is this an ad hominem attack?
“I am not going to apologize for confronting the devil and his cohorts that are guilty of what I just said.” Paul Sherrill
The aspect of promotion should never be used to pimp individuals into remaining in one’s ministry to covet the tithes and offerings. Pastor’s too often do not promote faithful individuals who have DENIED SELF. Then when these individuals leave their churches, they are of the devil. Pentecostalism, along with its other manifestations are chief among spreading the secret-society like atmospheres we see in church today. “Know your place”, is the attitude of Pentecostalism. Oh! And if you haven’t spoken in tongues, you are unworthy of ANY recognition.
Re: More on gay jakes
Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:37 PM
From: G Lewis
To: Paul Sherrill
Cc: G Lewis, Marlon Reid, Aubrey shines, Will Ford, Paul Sherrill, Tetaun Moffett, Wendell Mosley, Rod Williams, Tim Meekins, Bishop Bill Watson, Eric Walsh, FREDDIE.SANDIFER, “Hatchett Fred” , Reggie Pitchford, Lonnie Brown, Andrea Williams, yahluv7@yahoo.com, “R R”
This was on point and powerful as always Paul.
Min. H
Of course it is, he’s your friend.
On Aug 31, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Hatchett Fred wrote:
Elder G. Craige,
Well I do not follow other people’s agenda just because I choose to follow after Christ. I am deeply offended and rather surprised that you would be a part of such utter foolishness. What’s more is that I knew something like this would eventually occur, and I am glad I had a chance to be a part of this dialogue. I came at the entire e-mail group with scripture, and it was ignored. They took it exactly as intended, yet I hoped for another response.
You accuse me of unbelief- Please Explain
I will be a part of no one’s inner circle.
Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,
John 12:32
Re: More on gay jakes
Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:43 AM
From G Lewis
To: “glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com”
I have no idea what surprised u about my feelings towards TD jakes and other sodomites in the church industry. My views about him and this have been this way. These are no accusations that need proven by evidence because TD jakes had admitted that he has homosexual desires on numerous occasions as well as twisting scripture to make his desires natural. The men on this thread all know this and were coming from this angle. And those on this thread are extremely Pentecostal as well as myself, following the pattern of biblical apostles and prophets.
No scripture was ignored Fred. It’s just that most of the sxripture u used was not applicable to this situation. And as far as u mentioning the media as a way of exposure, that in itself didn’t make sense seeing that the secular media is controlled by Satan and should never be used to expose the churches issues.
I stand by every statement that I read in this thread that came from these guys but I questioned your statements on exposure through the media, judging jakes openly on this thread, and your statements concerning modern day penecostals. Though many are corrupting the image of Pentecostals and the signs and wonders, it’s still a way of life for many if us that yet believe God is moving in this manner and this was never an “age” or time sensitive movement. I have seen too many signs and wonders. I never seek them but I seek God and he performs them. Casting out devils is a sign. Healings are signs. And prophecy is a sign and wonder.
Min. H
What did Jesus say about those who seek after signs? They are a wicked and PERVERSE generation.
GC
U can’t lump all of this in a Pentecostal gibberish category because it’s real to us. And it’s gonna take these same signs and wonders to deliver those that possess demons and have gone through rituals and oaths as you have.
Min. H
I denounced Freemasonry as a sinner and Omega Psi Phi well before I spoke in tongues. Then when I spoke in tongues, I soon after denounced that as well. So go figure that one out.
GC
Sure u can make a decision to get out, but in most cases that I have seen, the oaths and rituals require sign and wonders for full deliveance with no residue. This is from experience. Like Simon the sorcerer, after a brief period, he desired what he was before because he was not delivered by just believing.
Min. H
I am not one of your cases. The thing about Simon is far reaching. Read what happened to Simon before trying to buy the Gift of the Holy Spirit.
GC
There must be a strong belief in the signs and wonders of God to perform them. If you stand where your statement about Pentecostals puts you, then you forfeit those signs working through you.
Min. H
“I MUST”… I HAVE FORFEITED NOTHING. I do believe, but not like Pentecostals.
GC
You never have to desire the signs and wonders but you have to allow room for them. I believe you are way off base on this jakes matter. And jakes is a self made bishop ordained by a homosexual orgAnization so he should never be recognized as a man of God or an Elder in Gods kingdom.
Just because the people thought Simon the sorceror was a man of God , peter never recognized that authorty and dealt with him in a lay member type manner rather than treating him like a leader of the church.
Your scripture was not applicable to jakes. And because of what we on this thread know about jakes and his organization, your stand was questioned and your scriptures were ignored for lack of relevance to the specifics of this.
Be blessed.
Sent from my iPhone
Min. H
You used ONE man’s testimony in this E-mail. A man of questionable character at that. How much do you know about this guy? Did it even matter? Did you research this dude? I doubt it…… He gave you some ammo for your PERSONAL cause. He required no checks.
I now have reason to believe that G. Craige knows Apostle Youngblood. So I was or maybe wrong in my previous assumptions stated above.
Re: More on gay jakes
Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:56 AM
From:G Lewis
To: “glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com”
This was not utter foolishness but rather a sounding off pool of brother (and my sister) were we speak our minds in an informed manner rather than a generalized manner
Min. H
Are you informed?
GC
Also, you stated that your were surprised that I would be a part of this and then you stated that you knew something like this would happened. That was very contradictory and I don’t understand that but it really doesn’t matter. I think the problem here was that you were accidently put on a thread that you should not have never been on.
Min. H
Accidentally! Is that how God works? Where was the gift of discernment among all of you Holy Ghost Filled people? So what’s the real contradiction here?
GC
The people on this thread know far more about jakes and the inner workings of his group than you. We dealt with it from an informed standpoint and you see jakes as a man of stature and prominance in the church world. .thats the problem.
Sent from my iPhone
Min. H
I suggest studying to show yourselves approved………..
G. Craige Lewis PUBLICLY REBUKED ME, YET MY PODCAST STILL APPEARS ON HIS SITE. He further claims other things for which he has no proof, no way to reference his statistics, etc. You see, in the Pentecostal movement, the very thought of one lying to another is foreign; you are taken at your word. So although he privately rebuked me in front of his friends, he said he still believed in and promoted my ministry about Greek Organizations. It’s okay for your friends to clown and insult me with your consent, and I am supposed to be cool with that. I exposed an Achilles Heel among you and your friends. You can go out and talk major smack about other people, but when it is dished out, you can’t take it.
Paul Sherrill’s Bio
“Paul and Mona Sherrill are the founders of Christ Revealed Miracle Tabernacle. They have been in the ministry for more than 20 years.
Apostle Paul Sherrill has conducted Schools of Ministry and leadership conferences in many nations of the world where thousands of ministers and leaders have been equipped to reach their generation. He has also conducted Miracle Rallies and Mass Miracle Crusades on four continents with mighty signs, wonders and miracles following. Pastor Mona Sherrill has accompanied her husband on many mission trips to the nations in addition to overseeing pastoral duties at home. Together, the Sherrill’s have witnessed many thousands who have been delivered and set free from the powers of darkness through the preaching of the Gospel.
It all began in 1970 when Paul gave his life to Christ through the influence of the ministry of A.A. Allen. It was through that ministry that Paul discovered that the supernatural power of God could work for him through his life. Armed with this knowledge, Paul laid hands on his dying baby brother and God healed him instantly of an incurable kidney disease by giving him two new kidneys. (This miracle is medically documented).
Paul was further impacted by the ministry of Apostle Arturo Skinner where he was a member of Deliverance Evangelistic Center until Apostle Skinner’s death in 1975. It was from these early years that Paul yearned for the Supernatural God of his faith and became frustrated when he could not find a church that demonstrated the true power of the Gospel.
The lack of God’s supernaturalism in the church left Paul feeling all alone as no one seemed to understand his desire to see God manifested in great power. During this period in his life, Paul gave up hope because the God he once knew seemed to be missing in the church.
Then in 1987 the Lord Jesus Himself appeared to Paul. It was at this face-to-face encounter that the Lord called, appointed and anointed Apostle Sherrill to a miracle ministry. This supernatural event brought Apostle Sherrill in contact with Dave Roberson Ministries of Tulsa , OK and eventually Paul began conducting Schools of Ministry and Mass Miracle Crusades in many nations of the world for Morris Cerullo World Evangelism where he served as an Associate Minister. It is through these many years of preparation that God qualified Apostle Sherrill to bring that dimension of ministry to the D.C. Metro Area.
Christ Revealed Miracle Tabernacle is a church being equipped to be an Apostolic Power Base… God has given the mandate to Apostle Sherrill to bring a continual abinding presence of His SH‘KINAH that would cause the creative and miraculous power of God to operate so that others will desire to work the works of God.
Christ Revealed Miracle Tabernacle is raising up a new generation of leaders where an authentic apostolic legacy will flow from the loins of Christ to produce the church that He is building, which is the church that God has ordained.”
http://www.christrevealed.org/about/biography/
Not Paul Sherrill
“Paul
Paul, then, was the last man to enjoy the position of apostleship. He was “one born out of due time” in that he was a later (indeed, the last) addition to the apostolic company (I Corinthians 15:8-11). Because of this, evidently, some questioned his apostolic authority, which was no small matter to the apostle. Several times he was forced to defend his own apostleship (cf., I Corinthians 9:1ff, Galatians 2, etc.). In nine of his thirteen epistles, he is careful to identify himself as an “apostle of Jesus Christ” (e.g., I Corinthians 1:1). He does so most forcefully in Galatians, specifying that his apostleship is a commission of Jesus Christ Himself, not Paul or any other man (Galatians 1:1). It was a very important matter to him that it be recognized that his commission was indeed from Christ personally. He further emphasized that he learned his theology from the Lord first-hand, not from anyone else (Galatians 1:11-24).” http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/spiritualgifts/ch14.htm
Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,
John 12:32
In conclusion, I plan to place this on my website and other places on the net. I will be sending this to you and putting it on the net so that your rebuke will truly be PUBLIC, which you have admitted is only among your friends.
In light of new facts, I did place some of this on my blog. Unfortunately it was with full e-mail addresses. People used G. Craige’s address and started sending him e-mails. I apologized to him before I even knew this happened, and had removed the post from my site, but it was too late. So in this new posting, no e-mail addresses should be available, accept those who have public addresses. If any e-mail addresses show up, I will remove them immediately when I am made aware of the fact.
Next- From this MICROCOSM OF PENTECOTALISM, to the movements historical background. The Title will be, The Truth About Pentecostalism
Heh. Weren’t you on G.Craig’s radio show, trying to get publicity off of his fame.
Hypocrite.
He called me for the interview. But who cares about fame G. Craige FAN!!!!!!!!!!!! In all honesty, my willingness to do what I did says that I am unconcerned about who you are, period.
Look this is a lost cause, G Craige Lwis has been approached by those who have been seduced. Look it was the same thing with Tonex, it is gone. TD jakes is also not tellig the public that he is not Trinitarian.
His son has been arrested, so he should resign as an elder.
what I want us to discuss is how do you separate the Pentecostal experience and the gifts of the spirit versus Pentecostalism.
I think G craige Lewis has done a good job exposing, so we need to give him credit for his
I am not sure that cessacionism or dispensationalism is biblical.
Although I have withdrawn from the charismatic movement I am not sure that we can say that the Holy Spirit is not operational, we have to separate the counterfeit from the true Holy Spirit.
Look you and G craige Lewis have the same enemies, so they are happy you are fighting. I am coming back to read this post.
Paul warned the corinthians about the counterfeit Jesus, Gospel and Holy Spirit.
I am not going to comment about us fighting the same enemy. I am on God’s side. I pick no one’s side to be on, save Jesus. We are not fighting. What you have read says plenty. If G. Craige is serious about exposing, drop the pentecostal arrogance, which can clearly be seen here.
Wowzers!!!!!!!
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-kundalini-shakers-charismastics.htm
I thank you for your reply, I am also trying to separate the Kundalini spirit from the Holy Spirit as described in the book of Acts.
I have resigned from the Charismatic movement because of the kundalini Spirit and the lack of discernment, but in Six months time I will be better able demarcate the real Holy Spirit versus Kundalini.
I am still working out what happened to me for the lasat ten years.
I resigned from it because it is a false teaching. The tongues in church today do not in any way hold water to Acts 2. This is the main reason. The other is for what you see here. As a Ex-Pentecostal/Ex-tongue talker, it is the seething arrogance. Right now, I am locked up with this guy who is so arrogant I had to copy and paste our dialogue. I will bring it here and call it, Pentecostal Fruit 2. Basically, it goes like this, I do not think tongues is a serious issue, I believe that people of many denominations are going to be in the kingdom, etc. to….. We are not to have fellowship with those who teach false doctrine, you are contentious, prideful, etc. to……… I am sorry if I upset you, please accept my apology, etc. to…… See that’s your problem, you do not know how to debate, here’s how to do it. I was never that double-minded as a pentecostal. I was very transparent, and I believe that’s what allowed me to see through the veil of deception about tongues. Although I spoke in tongues, I NEVER really had a chance to dive in completely, because questions always arose that posed a serious conflict in the answers given by the Pastor and Elders, and what scripture actually said. Here is food for thought. The word, “unknown”, in I Corinthians 14 (KJV) is an addition by the authors to bring clarity. The problem is that it was not needed to bring clarity, and is most often the source of confusion, aside from it being taken way out of context. How come we NEVER see unknown (KJV) in Acts? When you read Acts 2, it is important to understand that by CONTEXT, 1.) tongues are real languages not gibberish. 2.) Look at what the people of the other nations say, we here them speaking in our tongues (dialects), not glossa, but dialektos. I will continue later……..
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What happen to you Fred!?
Min. H
Who are you and what do you mean?
The above question probably deals with the aspect of you being reprobate…….
Don’t know who you are RN, but PROBABLY means you are fishing. If my memory serves me correctly, this man called me, we talked, and it was very cordial. He was somewhat going off hearsay. Then you comment not knowing the facts, so good use of the word probably.
It really concerns me that people want to fight G. Craig Lewis, when he is preaching the truth. The problem is, that preachers/elders of old dont preach the truth, so when it comes, we deny it. What is he doing wrong! He preach against the things Jesus is against. Craig was born in to sin just like you and I, so it is not his rules/guidelines that he bring to the people of God. It is so sad you feel the need to fight a TRUE MAN OF GOD! Its just like the prophets of old: If you preach truth; get ready to be stoned by SO CALLED CHRISTIANS! You need to pray about your unbelief and let God do a work on you!
No Sonya, I believe, if you have not, to read the whole post. Not only that, I received his initial e-mails “by accident”, or was it “by providence”?
You need to address this false prophet for his false prophecies. In Truth Behind Hip hop 3, G. Craige said that “GOD” told him to put everything in this DVD he could, because this would be the last one. Well, he is working on number 7. You will “probably” look at this and excuse him.
Let me know how it goes.
Has anyone considered that people are being drawn away from Christ by all the divisiveness of what is termed on the other side of the aisle as “heresy hunters” and “online discernment ministries”? So what is going in the church is not perfect. Is what these people are doing in the “expose” blogs scripturally supported? Or is what they are doing go against scripture and appropriate christian conduct (condemnation, fear-mongering, gossip, slander, etc.) I refuse to believe there is any power or godliness in that. Matter of fact, those things are listed as unchristian characters to avoid. I deal with scripture, and not people’s opinions or personal philosophies on “blogs”. Talking about irrevelant issues about music, who worships satan, satanic this satanic that is pointless. That effort should be focused on faith in Christ and keeping His commands. That takes enough time in itself. We are living in the the “great apostacy”. This to me means that “in the church” and “outside the church”, people will be trying to lure you away from the pure and saving faith of Christ. I would seriously suggest people be careful of who they are giving their time to listen to. They may not be who they appear to be and are possibly entertaining the sensuality of the flesh and not the things of the true spirit. Please be careful.
Jason
Has anyone considered that people are being drawn away from Christ by all the divisiveness of what is termed on the other side of the aisle as “heresy hunters” and “online discernment ministries”?
Min. H
These people do not have to hunt for heresies. The people literally heap upon themselves their own exposure by begging people to buy their stuff, support their cause, and belittle them for not believing their theology.
Jason
So what is going in the church is not perfect. Is what these people are doing in the “expose” blogs scripturally supported? Or is what they are doing go against scripture and appropriate christian conduct (condemnation, fear-mongering, gossip, slander, etc.) I refuse to believe there is any power or godliness in that. Matter of fact, those things are listed as unchristian characters to avoid. I deal with scripture, and not people’s opinions or personal philosophies on “blogs”.
Min. H
Well then there is plenty of scripture that you have not read.
Jason
Talking about irrevelant issues about music, who worships satan, satanic this satanic that is pointless. That effort should be focused on faith in Christ and keeping His commands. That takes enough time in itself. We are living in the the “great apostacy”. This to me means that “in the church” and “outside the church”, people will be trying to lure you away from the pure and saving faith of Christ. I would seriously suggest people be careful of who they are giving their time to listen to. They may not be who they appear to be and are possibly entertaining the sensuality of the flesh and not the things of the true spirit. Please be careful.
Min. H
I have no problem with G. Craige exposing the evils of the music industry within the church. But his presentations lack the very essence of the things you bring up in your last paragraph.
I plan to post a full scale conversation between myself and another person. I will not put their name in this, unless I hear from them that I may do otherwise.
Jason, I agree with you. I think Minister Hatchett should be divisive about real false prophets or sheep in wolves clothing…Benny Hinn, Bernard Jones, T.D Jakes, Eddie Long, Oprah Winfrey, etc. G. Craig Lewis is teaching and his fruit shows that Christ is in it unlike the others..This really confuses the body of Christ especially when they are operating in discernment. G. Craig may have acted arrogantly with you, but that doesn’t make him a false teacher. This blog should be removed and people should be exposed to the “real” false prophets.
Sonya
Jason, I agree with you. I think Minister Hatchett should be divisive about real false prophets or sheep in wolves clothing…Benny Hinn, Bernard Jones, T.D Jakes, Eddie Long, Oprah Winfrey, etc. G. Craig Lewis is teaching and his fruit shows that Christ is in it unlike the others.
Min. H
Real false prophets are not defined by man’s principles, but by God’s Word. As I said in our e-mails, fact check G. Craige and listen to how often he claims God told him something and test it. And you say that I should be divisive, that is completely wrong. What did Paul and Jesus say about division and truth? I suggest you read about that as well. A wolf is a wolf.
PERFECT EXAMPLE- Satan being The Prince of the power of the air means AIRWAVES. This is not what scripture says, means, or implies.
Sonya
This really confuses the body of Christ especially when they are operating in discernment. G. Craig may have acted arrogantly with you, but that doesn’t make him a false teacher. This blog should be removed and people should be exposed to the “real” false prophets.
Min. H
It is about discernment. Basically, GCL puts out quite a bit of info that is unsubstantiated. But allow me to show you his true hypocrisy in one sentence.
He has built a relationship with someone of the Word of Faith. There you go.
@Min. H
what G Craige Lewis is doing does not display in any way shape form or fashion the christian conduct commanded of believers in scripture. In any form. He is causing more destruction to believers faith than building. And the sad thing is, those that are following him and his movement are being taught that gossip and slander are okay because it is christian to do so. And it is not. They are being made merchandise of and the very topics like gnosticism he speaks so against others promoting, he does it himself in his presentations. It doesn’t take very long for the spirit to show you that that movement is not what it claims to be
And you of all people should know of all people that Lewis and his “ministry” is taking advantage